Art detective eyes IRA in Gardner art heist
Arthur Brand, dubbed “The Indiana Jones of the art world,” tells me that he’s spoken with sources in direct contact with what’s left of the IRA.
They have convinced him some of the missing paintings are stashed away in Ireland, and the reason that no one has come forward to claim the $10 million reward offered by the museum is that those now in possession of the art do not trust the FBI to simply let them walk away with a windfall of cash with no questions asked.
“Members of the IRA only trust their mothers. That’s about it, so there’s a high level of skepticism,” Brand told me in a telephone interview from his home in the Netherlands. “The IRA and the Irish mob have been known to hold art hostage and use it as collateral to get prisoners out of jail. It’s what they do best.”
Recently, Brand made international headlines for finding and returning a $28 million dollar Picasso that was stolen 20 years ago from a luxury yacht in the French Riviera.
https://arthostage.blogspot.com/2019/04/stolen-art-watch-stolen-picasso-buy.html
It was 29 years ago, in March 1990 that two thieves disguised as Boston police officers stole 13 art works from the Gardner museum including Vermeer’s “The Concert” and Rembrandt’s “Christ in the Storm on the Sea of Galilee.” According the museum, it’s the single largest property theft in the world. It’s also Boston’s most enduring crime mystery, now that Whitey Bulger’s been captured and was subsequently killed in prison.
Despite the potential IRA connection, the Irish mob boss had nothing to do with this one. Bulger’s protégé Kevin Weeks once told me that the gang wasn’t involved in the theft but shook every tree and beat down a few people in an effort to find the loot and cash in on it themselves.
Brand agrees that Bulger wasn’t the guy.
“At the time of the theft, the IRA was running guns from Boston to Ireland with and without Bulger’s knowledge,” Brand said. “The paintings were hidden on one of the vessels and they would remain in Ireland today.”
Brand’s theory isn’t shared by the FBI, which has gone to great lengths in its effort to recover the paintings. The feds launched a billboard campaign in 2014 to solicit the public’s help and have chased after a geriatric, wheelchair bound Connecticut gangster named Robert Gentile, who they have dubbed as a person of interest in the case.
“Gentile had every opportunity to cooperate with authorities and he has not,” Brand says. “That tells me the FBI is going after the wrong man.”
Some critics believe Brand is the wrong man for art enthusiasts to pin their hopes on. The art detective is not above getting his hands dirty and negotiating directly with underworld figures to recover stolen art. Naysayers claim Brand’s approach will encourage more art theft.
But aren’t Brand’s methods one in the same with those of the Gardner Museum?
The museum doubled its reward to $10 million for the safe return of the masterpieces, guaranteeing both confidentiality and anonymity to anyone who steps forward.
If that person is eventually Arthur Brand, you can bet it won’t be anonymous.
The art sleuth, who once recovered two missing bronze horses sculpted for Adolf Hitler, has cultivated a persona of derring do, using false identities to cozy up with hardened criminals who have led him to stolen art.
“Those who are hiding the Gardner paintings and are still distrustful of American law enforcement can contact me and I would be more than happy to return this world heritage to Boston,” Brand says.
The Boston office of the FBI will not comment on Brand’s theories, but encourage anyone who is knowingly in possession of the stolen artwork to return it to the museum and collect the $10 million reward.
Casey Sherman is the author of 10 books including “12: The Inside Story of Tom Brady’s Fight for Redemption.” Follow him on Twitter @caseysherman123
Art Hostage comments:
Personally, I wish Arthur Brand all the luck in the world in recovering the stolen Gardner art, however, I reserve my right to question the ethics, morality and legality of the other stolen art recoveries Arthur Brand and his criminal gang have made and continue to make.
I am sure the Irish Republican movement, IRA old and new, will not welcome the accusations from Arthur Brand, that they have the stolen Gardner art stashed away until they get paid the $10 million reward.
more to follow..................
Paul/Frank,
ReplyDeleteYou saw this article even before I did. Are you so obsessed with me that you google my name the whole day? Or do you fancy me?
Please stop with 'Personally, I wish Arthur Brand all the luck in the world in recovering the stolen Gardner art'.
And then you say this: 'I am sure the Irish Republican movement, IRA old and new, will not welcome the accusations from Arthur Brand, that they have the stolen Gardner art stashed away until they get paid the $10 million reward.
more to follow.'
And I'm sure that IRA does not like people like you thinking for them. But then again, who reads your blog anyway :-)))
Paulie/ Frankie: do something usefull with your live. It's getting embarrasing.
Paulie, it seems you have a google-alert out on my name.
ReplyDeleteI would love to have one out on your name, but what do I fill in?
- Paulie 'jealous' Turbo
- Paulie 'did anybody see my welfare-check' Turbine
- Paulie 'I'm Frank Veritas' Turbo
- Paulie 'I never recovered any stolen art' Turbo
- Paulie 'I wear the latest 1930 Liverpool fashion' Turbine
Please help me out.
Gee Paulie, I was just told that you put the names on your website of the children of people you are chasing...
ReplyDeleteYou once were a criminal and it seems you never changed. But real criminals don't go THAT low.
You are a piece of shit.
Oh, and btw...YOU mentioned TOO in some of your past interviews that the IRA has the paintings...
ReplyDeleteBut what nobody knows is that you mentioned the name of Slab Murphy to the authorities. I have you on tape admitting that.
I do think that the IRA might be offended by that :-)
Good luck Paulie 'I now shit in my pants' Turbo
This Arthur Brand has such a mouth on him. Very rude!
ReplyDeleteSay goodbye to Netflix, Artie. You fabricated a persona and stole from the websites of others. You plagiarise real art theft experts and you try to insert yourself in cases where you had no involvement. It has come to the world's attention that virtually all police forces will not work with you and your criminal pals, Michel van Rijn and William Veras. No one wants to work with Richard Ellis either, except you of course, because you have no moral compass. Only the Dutch police tolerate you which is why you recently praised them. You are a fraud hell bent on publicity. You are rapidly going bald so it is safe to say that we won't have to suffer your self promotion much longer. Whoever coined the moniker Arthur "the Brand" is very clever. No one is jealous of what you do you idiot. Anyone can hang with criminals. You are who you associate with. Now this is a clean blog, let's keep it this way.
Blablabla...
ReplyDeleteSo now you are posing again as 'Frank V.'?
A clean blog? Yeah right, it's full of shit and lies. That's why there are no other reactions than yours and mine. Sometimes you pose as Frank V. to suggest that you have any friends.
Anyway, I just was rewarded by the Cypriotic church, and German BKA/ Spanish Guardia Civil/ English Scotland Yard/ Italian Carabinieri/ Dutch police all worked together with me in the last couple of years. And that's all on record... Just google.
But of course, you - an ex-criminal arrested for domestic violence - knows better than them.
So now go fuck a duck, you morron, and let the big guys play.
It's bloody hysterical that you actually think you are a PLAYER and ONE OF THE BIG GUYS in the art theft world.
ReplyDeleteYou are nothing. A fabrication of your own mind. Do you even have a university degree?
Guys like Charles Hill recovered art because they were good and had legal authority. Once they leave the force, it becomes harder for them. You just hang with thieves and think that you are clever. Anyone can do what you do and it won't be for long. The police are on to you and your ways. I spoke with the police for my book. They had to work with you because you made yourself the conduit with criminals. They will never condone what you do and will never seek you out.
Your obsession with duck sex is abnormal. You have rage. Wild egotistical rage. Goodbye Indiana Jones , what a joke.
www.rogaine.com can you get this in Holland?
Paulie/Frank...
ReplyDeleteNormally you attack Charley on this website. And Dick, and Anthony. Now you praise them... Yeah right.
Lately you only post about me (and Dick). Is it because we solve case after case? Are you jealous?
And don't make me laugh about you writing a book and talking to police. Nobody talks to you. When I mention your name, either they don't know you or they just laugh. They say: 'Oh God... that idiot once stole a third-rate painting and now thinks he is an expert in artrecovery. He attacks everybody, was arrested by us for blackmailing (extortion) and domestic violence. He is a nobody...'
Your lies and inventions are so obvious.
Bye bye ;-)
Athony, Dick and Charley had the same encounters with you as I have, so don't praise them now. They hate your guts. You even published the names of their children. You are scum Paulie/Frank, an ex-con with a criminal record of extortion and abuse (domestic violence). The lowest of the lowest...
ReplyDeleteI once had a call with you. 'Arthur can you please ring me, I'm out of credits...' Remember? You tried to lick your way in with me. Accusing Slab Murphy and others.
You are scum, a complete nobody. And others might say: 'Don't react to that idiot', but I do react. You attack people out of nowhere with complete lies. For what? So be prepared...
Paulie/Frank...
ReplyDeleteWhy not tell the truth? You have nothing against me, I'm just colleteral in your fight with Ellis who got you arrested for extortion, for trying to exchange stolen art for money. That is the truth... So now it is here for everybody to read.
And as a revenge, you published the name of his children. You are a scumbag. A criminal.
And sooner or later I will publish your criminal record (including your domestic violence history and the other one... with the children-story). If you attack others with those weapons, be prepared to receive the same treatment...
Clearly, THE BRAND is either an uneducated cad or an absolute idiot.
ReplyDeleteHe has threatened ArtHostage in writing. These statements can be used against him in the High Court.
Watch him try to delete them but screen shots have already been preserved.
expect a criminal or civil claim or both you douche bag. Now it is here for everybody to read, including the journalists you are trying to fool into thinking you are an expert. you are nothing but a rapidly balding wannabe.
Ironic the title of this post includes the words "Sociopaths and Narcissists"
ReplyDeleteArthur Brand then makes comments confirming these apply to him.
Anonymous... everybody knows that you are Paul Turbo himself, aka Frank V.
ReplyDeleteHave a nice day! And do something useful.
I have been reading all of these comments and am appalled at the childish behaviour of all of you.
ReplyDeletewe all know Turbo Paul is a bit sensational in his reporting but he is entertaining, isn't that the point? His blog posts actually raise some interesting questions about art theft and recoveries.
Arthur Brand seemed like a nice bloke but he is also a newcomer and obviously wants everyone to love him. He is trying too hard and it is ridiculously over the top. He needs to fire his press agent because he looks clownish. Mr. brand, you are coming on fast and loud and associating with the wrong people. I am in law enforcement in Canada and can tell you that you are developing a reputation....but not the one you think you have or want.
This was a useful blog for us, it would he nice to keep it that way.
Yeah right anonymous... You pose as a law enforcement guy but in reality you are just Paul Turbo.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is FAR from useful. Complete lies. You Paul are spreading lies and publishing children names.
Some facts you do NOT mention:
The Picasso-case: I worked in cooperation with the Dutch and French police
The Visigothic case: I worked in cooperation with Dutch, Spanish and English police
The Italian case: I worked in cooperation with Dutch and Italian police.
ALL on record. So when you Paulie try to discredit me with your stupid lies, you discredit some of the finest policemen in the world.
And now you pose like a Canadian. Blabla... Paulie, NO professional in the world reads your stupid blog...
This is the last time I post here. I got cases to solve, to make you more jealous :-)))))
You morron.
Oh, btw, if you really were in law enforcement in Canada, you look foolish.
ReplyDeleteThis Italian piece I brought back last week to Italy was discovered by us in Canada. If you would have done your job better, you would not have needed me, would you :-PPPP
I heard rumors btw that Canadian 'law enforcment' was protecting the family who had the stolen piece. But then again, when you think Turbo Paulie is useful, no wonder that you do not solve a thing...
Bye Paulie
For the occasional reader: Everybody can tell you that Paulie/Frank V./ and other 'anonymous' commenters are one and the same person: Paul 'ex-con' Turbo who was recently arrested for extortion by Ellis.
ReplyDeleteGee, here it is:
ReplyDeletePaul Hedry served 15 months in prison for Benefit Fraud.
http://art-crime.blogspot.com/search/label/art%20hostage
I am not going to respond anymore on a guy who thinks he is tough because he served 15 months for Benefit Fraud...
'Dad, what did you do in your life?'
'Well son, I commited benefit fraud for a living'
The real Arthur Brand is emerging, see articles from 2008 with Arthur Martijn Brand
ReplyDeleteimplicated:
https://nypost.com/2008/12/05/feds-call-artifacts-bad-byz/
More detailed account:
https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-seize-smuggled-ancient-art/
Was Arthur Brand arrested in the UK over this? Will he answer this question here on the blog of record?
ReplyDeletehttp://howtobuyantiquesandcollectibles.blogspot.com/2008/03/ancientartifacts-re-michel-van-rijn_24.html
Here in Dutch
https://www.stelling.nl/kleintje/dossiers/ook-gij-hendrikus
Another fake news...
ReplyDeleteThat story was an undercoveroperation from myself and Van Rijn, in cooperation with Scotland Yard. Both Van Rijn and myself have published the 'thank you' note from Scotland Yard. And you know it, Frank/Paul.
Unfortunately the case was not followed up because the items turned out NOT to be looted. They were returned after confiscation and subsequently auctioned at Timeline auctions (England) in 2014. I still believe they were looted anyway.
The proof has just been published by me on my Twitter-account: the thank you note of SY and a picture of Timeline auctions.
So Frank/Paul, try again. And the worst is that you knew the complete story. People now know you just spread fake news.
Good that you published the Dutch article. If you would read Dutch you could see the real story.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, you are a fool.
For everybody else: see my twitter with the thank you note from SY and the Timeline auction picture.
Again you lost Paul/Frank...
:-ppppppppppppppp
Here is a direct link to my twitter-post with THE PROOF...
ReplyDeleteByebye Frank/Paul
https://twitter.com/brand_arthur/status/1122887480737435648
Arthur Brand switches between being an active criminal, to smuggler, to blackmailer, and now by his own admission, Police Informant.
ReplyDeleteAh, first you tried to 'criminalise' me but now that you have seen the proof, you call me a police-informant. What a joke.
ReplyDeleteI helped the police in this case and I am proud of it. Unfortunately the thing went cold as it could not been proven that the items were looted, although I am sure about it...
You can call me anything you want Frank (= Paul Turbo). I have no criminal record, you were arrested for Benefit Fraud...
My God what a joke.
http://art-crime.blogspot.com/search/label/art%20hostage
Isn't it difficult for you Frank/Paulie?
ReplyDeleteYou try to label me as a criminal, but would police-forces openly work together with a criminal? Probably not, would they... And of course a criminal STEALS art and do NOT recover it, as I do on a monthly basis...
That did not work so now you try to frame me as a undercover-policeman (the complete opposite). But then again, would the police ON RECORD/Openly cooperate with an undercover? Probably not, would they...
So what's next? Am I an alien? Or Elvis?
You give us all a good laugh. Everytime I solve a case from now on, I will give you my regards in the media ;-)
Bye dude
You are doing a great job King Creole ;-)
ReplyDeleteI thought nobody read this blog?
ReplyDeleteThis blog does not seem to be about art theft anymore. Instead of praising people who recover stolen art, they are attacked. It happened to Mr. Ellis, Mr. Hill, Mr. Amore and now to Mr. Brand. It seems that anyone who is succesful in recovery is being attacked.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Is it out of jealousy? Pretty sad...
I agree. I just read the story about the Picasso in various newsarticles. Dutch and French police are quoted, saying that everything went according to the law.
ReplyDeleteSo why writing this article, saying that 'terrorists' were paid? Can't we just be happy that this precious painting returned?
If this blog continues like this, it will even lose the few last readers like me.
Mr. Brand, it's obvious that you are now writing as Anonymous to support your views. However, a number of law enforcement agencies will not work with you. some are forced to accept when you approach them with a stolen item that you either paid for or got a tip off from one of your criminal friends. you even admit you associate with some convicted thieves so why are you so upset? Richard Ellis is in the same boat. He has admitted in the Times that he set up a company in the Balkans to pay thieves. he was working with a guy named Wolf Minic in Serbia. What you don't know and what 3 separate law enforcement agencies told me in interviews for my book was that you have interfered in their criminal investigations and they cannot and will not work with you. you can talk about the Dutch and French police on the Antibes case until you are blue in the face and it won't change the fact that you are getting your information from your criminal pals and no one will touch you. This is why you can't get an invitation to a respectable speaking event if your life depended upon it. everyone knows you are a publicity seeking Elvis impersonator, not the real deal. Your shortcuts to perceived stardom will eventually bite you in the arse and down you will come. Wait for it folks!
ReplyDeleteThe fact that we have you writing daily on this blog (now more important than ever) shows that you are scared of being exposed. You go after anyone who dares question your methods. You are The Brand and the brand will tarnish soon.
I comment here under my own name. I'm not like you Frank aka Paul Turbo. Why is it btw that you comment anonymous?
ReplyDeleteYou talk about your book. No policeman in the world would talk to you. You are scum for them: convicted for Benefit-fraud, ex-con man and also arrested for domestic violence. On the contrary, they DO talk to me, as you can see in my tv-series :)))))))
Why would that be, you think? On record I was awarded by the Cypriotic government... Dutch, French, Spanish, German and Peruvian police work(ed) with me, all on record. Museums ask my help all around the world. ALL on record...
So whatever you say on your stupid blog, nobody believes you as the proof is there for everyone to read.
You were arrested by Dick Ellis, so you hate him. Now his name pops up in my stories so now you attack me. It is so obvious and sad...
You are a complete nobody, a jealous convicted benefit-fraud (how low can you go ;-)
That I react on your posts has nothing to do with your 'exposure'. Everybody understands that when all these policeforces openly work with me, there is no dirt. You on the contrary are being laughed at by all.
The reason that I react is that you cross lines. You published the names and addresses of the children of some people you attack, very decent people. You know exactly what I am talking about. And yes, I despise people who do those things. You are scum...
So when is your 'book' coming out? Loser...
Paul, I sometimes read your blog but stop this. You indeed make yourself look bad. Give credits were credits are due. Attacking people who recover stolen art with obvious made-up stories, bite you in the arse, as you like to say...
ReplyDeleteHere are my two cents.
ReplyDeleteAs others already have stated, we are not here to read invented stories. Paul, stick to the facts. We know that you hate Ellis but if you want us to continue reading your blog, keep that out of this. Making up stories about Brand and others is making you look bad.
Just my two cents...
Btw Paul/FrankieV,
ReplyDeleteYou say: 'This is why you can't get an invitation to a respectable speaking event if your life depended upon it.'
I give like 5 a 6 lectures a month: for the common public, for universities, for companies, for insurance-companies and occasionaly for police-forces.
How many did you give in your life? Zero...
Paul/Frank... One police-officer, well known to you, told me how he caught you for wellfare fraud. He still laughs about it. May be you can give a keynote about that: 'How I went from being a third-rate art thief to wellfare-fraud to blogging a bunch of lies that nobody reads...'
I promise you that I will attend ;-)
Just reading an interview with you Paulie/Frank V.
ReplyDeleteYou say: 'Very little stolen art is recovered these days, and I do get offers of stolen art every day but, sadly, law enforcement won't allow many deals to happen, so I walk away and tell my contacts to walk away.'
Gee, you accuse me of dealing with criminals but it turns out that you yourself do it... And if you do NOT get money, you tell your criminal palls to walk away... So it's not the love of art you are in for. Just for the money, together with your crinminal friends...
My God Paul/FrankV... now I exposed you, didn't I? :-))))))))))
The article is here:
https://psmag.com/social-justice/turbo-paul-art-thief-turned-art-crime-ombudsman-89068
Oh, and btw, don't believe his comments about all his university degrees. I saw his criminal record, Paulie/FrankV has no education at all...
Paul, the others are right. Stop this bullshit.
ReplyDeleteI just read the article mentioned by Mr. Brandt. Everything you accuse him and all the others of, you admit yourself in that article.
This makes you look bad.
Brand, you are a known liar. Here is a link to your own tweet about waaaaaaa! nobody invites me to any conferences! waaaaaa!
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/brand_arthur/status/1056848536275505152
You tweet the same case over and over again just to see your face. you are all about TV, netflix, ME ME ME and you threaten family members of those who criticise you. (this is coming out by the way and you're finished)
You are not an indiana jones, or a clouseau, or anything but a failed antique dealer who wants to be an art theft expert.
Keep hanging with the Dick Eliis' of the world and your criminal friends. I can't wait to see the TV doc on your downfall.
Have you ever been arrested Arthur? The truth? Put it right here:
Brand works with Ellis, Ellis gives money to criminals according to this article:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/55188509/alexi-mostrous-art-of-deception-2
All these art recovery organisations are dirty. art recovery group, Hill, Ellis, Radcliffe, Brandt.
The cops will work with anyone with stolen art because they don't talk to other officers from other countries.
That's how Brand can get fake praise from a police officer. However, talk to the Gardner Museum about Brand. they will give you an earful of negative comments.
At least Charly Hill is a guy you can go to a pub with. Brand has a temper and threatens people who ask him for a Curriculum Vitae. Did he go to some prestigious Dutch university. oh, i forgot, there are none.
What's with all the chatter here?
ReplyDeleteI thought no one reads this blog?
ReplyDeleteHallo Turbo! Since you control this blog, why not just publish the IP addresses of all the participants here so we can see who they are? It's probably just you and this Arthur Brand looking at himself in the mirror while typing out insults.
Paulie, on my twitter I referred to so called 'art theft conferences' where the usual suspects talk aboutg recovery instead of doing it. That's a complete different ball game.
ReplyDeleteAbout the Gardner Museum: there is a tweet of Amore about you, saying: 'don't let this guy come under your skin, I did...'
They hate your guts there.
You say: "you threaten family members of those who criticise you. (this is coming out by the way and you're finished)"
Yeah right, I just accused you of that. Paul, you are a joke...
About Hill: yeah right, he hates your guts too. And you know it.
But since you Paulie, aka Frank V., critisize everybody in the recovery-world, why don't YOU yourself do something?
Let me finish with a previous post of mine:
Just reading an interview with you Paulie/Frank V.
You say: 'Very little stolen art is recovered these days, and I do get offers of stolen art every day but, sadly, law enforcement won't allow many deals to happen, so I walk away and tell my contacts to walk away.'
Gee, you accuse me of dealing with criminals but it turns out that you yourself do it... And if you do NOT get money, you tell your criminal palls to walk away... So it's not the love of art you are in for. Just for the money, together with your crinminal friends...
My God Paul/FrankV... now I exposed you, didn't I? :-))))))))))
Oh and Paul, Frank V....
ReplyDeleteYou yourself worked together with Ellis, didn't you? You must remember because he arrested you for extortion...
Try again, dude.
As you yourself say in your interview, you work with criminals and want money. If not, you walk away...
ReplyDeleteAnd such a caracter critisizes Ellis, me. Hill, Rathcliff, Amore, Marinello, Charney and ALL others you attacked in the past.
You are just jealous.
But I have work to do, as do the others. We do search for stolen art, instead of you...
You have been given enough attention. Everybody advised me not to talk to you. They have done it and they regret it. They also told me that you hardly leave your home anymore and only give 'interviews' by email...
I quote one of your acquintances: 'Turbo has a severe alcohol problem. He can hardly stand on his feet, that's why he never leaves home. It might be a sad guy but don't give him any attention... He is self-destructive.'
So Turbo/Paul: it was a nice friendship we had. As all other before me who you attacked, I'm going to ignore you...
You are not worth it.
In the past we spoke a few times over the phone. ( Can you call me Arthur, I have no credits). You praised my work and gave me all kinds of advise. You sounded disappointed in life and I indeed felt some kind of warmth for you. At the time I thought that all the warnings of others about you were not correct. But look where we are now... You spoiled it for yourself Paul.
Anyway, stop drinking so much and stop being so bitter. Try to be happy when a long lost painting returns home, like the Picasso. After all, that should be our common goal.
This is my last reaction here.
So long Paul. Somehow I really hope that you one day feel happy again. No hard feelings.
Take care!
Wow, glad he's gone. What a jerk that guy Brand is. I'll make sure all media outlets see this abusive correspondence and his mistreatment of pensioners on benefits. I've screen shot all these troll-like comments from Mr. Brand.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing for anyone to be jealous of Brand, you are not a star. Some criminal demands money and leaves a Picasso on your doorstep. He knew where to go. How hard was that to recover? Anytime you need real negotiations you fail because you didn't finish college. Yes, we know what you really are. Art Hostage fans, do not give Arthur Brand a pass. Continue to challenge him on his alleged art theft work. members of the media ask questions. were criminals paid? who is this ex cop paying thieves? Why associate with him? Why won't the police work with you even after you come to them with stolen artwork? yes, we know what happened in Canada Arthur. Anyway, back to enjoying this excellent blog with exciting tips, stories, and calling people out who deserved to be called out. Freedom of the Press! Yes!
oh, and Brand, you are going bald. Arthur Bald. I like it. It's so good to have the last word. especially when you checked back here to read this so soon after you said you would not. so long, take care, no hard feelings. Be happy.